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Old 12-20-2017, 01:20 PM
scottdolsen scottdolsen is offline
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My Fox has been on the jack stands and for sale since the first penalty. Now its probably worthless. One less car for the 2018 west coast runoffs. Way to go SCCA. I know I will be licensing and racing through another club in 2018!

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Old 12-20-2017, 01:24 PM
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Well the data acquisition team is not getting the proper data and ASAC shouldn't be making decisions based on incomplete data. And yeah, I was wrong on the weight adjustment.
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Old 12-20-2017, 01:56 PM
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Although just an opinion on a race video, All I see here is a last minute rebuilt sa197 mustang slicing through a field of fox body mustangs, as well as a third gen gm car, and sn95 mustangs with ease. Seems to be much faster than many of it's competitors. Just an observation/opinion.
https://youtu.be/lwIeVLnLQSU
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Old 12-20-2017, 02:03 PM
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The last time we raced with that car we were 2 seconds per lap slower. Now we have to add 200 pounds! B.S.
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:47 PM
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Ted,
One of the best drivers in the history of ASedan, with one of the best prepared cars in the class starts from the back (because of a crash in Q) and passes some cars. DUH! that's pretty lame, even for you.
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Old 12-20-2017, 04:46 PM
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Actually, at the last RA runoffs I started last due to a crash requiring rebuild and passed something like 16 cars. It's not hard to pass the back half of most fields. It is the top 30% where it gets difficult.

Also, I want to ask that you keep an eye out on future fast tracks. We are making adjustments to various other cars, including the aforementioned mustang. They just didn't get into this go around. A select group of people always seem to jump to criticism, mainly because they seem to like to criticize and throw bombs, or advocate for personal benefit at the expense of everyone else.

Finally, I understand Matt. He doesn't have the $$$ to build a monster, like other do, and thus for him, the weight is a real penalty.

On the other hand, a couple of people got the ear of a director, and killed an initiative aimed right at helping people with smaller budgets. Apparently this also killed the FI plans, which was another initiative to allow for cost reductions via long lasting, multi season factory available restricted motors.

Good job guys, you have proven again that chanting "hey hey, ho ho, this new rule has got to go" loud enough can drown out attempts at reasoned discourse.
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Old 12-20-2017, 10:20 PM
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2018 Prelims...

So the loaded question is:
What does AS really want? Freeze the rules? Open Tires? Zero Changes?
What improvements or allowances to AS will IMPROVE the class? Participation growth? Where do you see AS in 2 years? 5 years?

Cost control
Reliability
Simplicity
Ideas...

Side note:
As a few people know , I compare our class to Group 6 vintage V-8 racing. SIMILAR cars, weight, competition but not identical, which makes the class appeal to some. Grids are always well-subscribed. This is the core V-8 production race cars. Rules have always had a specific choice in tires, and select mods with a weight penalty vs. reliability. Racers are enthused about their specific car and race what they are engaged in owning. What changes can be made to energize our class?



Ideas, other than parking cars, ideas...
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Old 12-21-2017, 02:15 AM
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Matt,

This proposal goes back a long time ago but it was a good one. It put a 425 hp maximum on engines. Many of us who were die hards of a/s were excited that if you put a hp maximum on the class it would put the development in chasis tuning and driver development. The ball was dropped years ago and many of us felt disrespected pointing to this proposal holding the leadership accountable. They took offense, broke off friendships. Why should letters be written when the leadership clearly feels this class should include very creative engine development. If you emplemented this proposal with 425 hp max you would dramatically reduce costs for engines in full prep. Remember this was initially a great idea. Think about it. 425 hp with a 350, 347, 302,305,. or any combination is easy with all the aftermarket pieces available. Ease the burdon on tech officials also.

http://www.asedan.net/misc/New_Rules.pdf
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:16 PM
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Question? We are told on this thread that we should keep our powder dry about complaints regarding the new wt change for the Fox because new competition adjustments for other cars "Maybe" coming in Feb that will enhance competition parody.


OK, fair enough, but does that mean if the mysterious proposed new adjustments don't get approved, the Fox wt will go back to what it was?


If not, the need for the Fox change staying in place would seem illogical to me.


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Old 12-21-2017, 12:34 PM
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Might as well list out what all the other competition adjustments are now, rather than keep them a secret. Since the ASAC decided that the class is not fair, outline the reasoning.

I am some sure some of us need to decide soon whether or not we are racing this year or moving on.
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