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Old 01-31-2019, 04:05 PM
jimwheeler jimwheeler is offline
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What has actually happened with SMG is that they have not increased participation, just moved current SMG cars from T2 to ASedan. The unfortunate
part is that this was discussed for several years and there were lots of issues with the parts on the car that had been denied to AS cars multiple times. There was a WDYT about this car before the Laguna Runoffs. (I'm not sure about the actual timing of the WDYT)The head mucky muck for SMG said that he didn't care about being competitive, they just wanted to race in SCCA so they could do the Runoffs. The CRB put them in T2, since nobody that raced in AS wanted the modifications (and ABS) that had always been denied to ASedan. Personally, I think the cars are overpriced for what they are, and overpriced for ASedan. Some future problems will show up if the cars go to the Runoffs and there is no way to tech their dyno requirements. Dyno sheets are easy to falsify, so Tech will have to have a dyno available to make sure the engines are compliant. Not sure how that will happen. New clarifications of the rules do not allow anyone to touch a car in impound without permission from the Tech crew. The Tech crew will need to know not to let anyone attach a computer to the cars in impound.
The new Chairman of the ASAC is John Blanchard, who was the Chair when I was on the ASAC before joining the CRB nine years ago. He is a good guy, who is building and racing ASedans.
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Old 01-31-2019, 04:13 PM
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Reread my post (which may not be clearly worded) what I was trying to say is no one is building Full Prep cars. Limited prep absolutely they are being built (JB included) and that should be the future of the class. Make them fast and don't worry JH and Andy will still be front runners.

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Old 01-31-2019, 05:10 PM
Danny"TheKid"Richardson Danny"TheKid"Richardson is offline
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Kevin was kind enough to email me the answers to the above questions that were posed.

-Why was Kevin removed from WCVision rulemaking.

Well, to put it clearly, I was brought in in 2011 to help reverse a million dollar per year losing entity, and helped turn it into one of the most popular series in the US. Enough so, that it was bought out by SRO, and the partners that I was tied to sold their shares and moved on. Luckily, before this transfer took place, I was offered a six figure salary to develop the new DPi tires in the IMSA paddock and the entire product development from 2015 forward. It was too good to pass up.



Why was Kevin cast out from the Touring World?

Again to clarify this, I was brought in to manage to the new Touring classes many many years ago (2009?). Most were failing, and not making the numbers. Fast forward, all are above the average, some in the top 10, and healthy with respect to the future. I was recently moved to AS, Formula, and Super Touring. All facing the same fate with weak numbers country wide.

He has informed me that he cannot post on these forums and is looking for permissions to do so. Maybe he will be able to clear the air
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:47 PM
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History. Fox bodies have been one of the most subscribed spec lines in AS for over 20 years. In that time we always had a 200# weight break due to physics. Foxes have had the worst RO's record of any major spec line. Only 2 poles and two wins in 23 years!!!!!! As soon as a couple of Foxes became nationally competitive (not dominate) the powers that be stomped on the Foxes. Now some of the same folks that screwed the Foxes are rallying the AS FP troupes to fight the new direction of AS.

Don't count on the Fox guys to help in this battle, we are moving on.

BTW, I just pulled my entry for the COTA Super Tour.
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Old 01-31-2019, 10:02 PM
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Default Heads Up Fox Guys...

There has been numerous letters, ideas and thoughts for improvement in American Sedan that are still being discussed. One of the discussions, has been to do an adjustment(s) to the Fox body cars.



Don't count on the Fox guys out of this yet...
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Old 01-31-2019, 10:39 PM
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Default Random Thoughts...

I wish to point out a few things to consider...

Class comparison, T2 variables-

inline turbo 4,
inline 6, flat six, supercharged v-6
4.6/5.0/5.7/6.2L V8
8.3L V10

front engine/mid engine/rear engine

FWD/AWD/RWD


Numerous wheel/tire sizes/plates/base weight plus adders



This simple, generic observation is to acknowledge to our group that a complex class, such as T2 can not only be well attended but also show close, competitive racing. Realize the variables, options and differences that need to be addressed, there is currently 46 T2 spec lines!


Point is, American Sedan are simple V8 cars can easily be adjusted/balanced and can ALL be competitive. We have a great core group of drivers, numerous friends and competitors that need to realize that there will be a balance found and issues to address. Learn from other classes, as numerous groups have had, and some currently have concerns still to address.

This is a fun class! Keep it alive!
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Old 02-01-2019, 05:20 AM
Danny"TheKid"Richardson Danny"TheKid"Richardson is offline
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Excellent post Matt. You have very good points there. What's scares me personally about these cars is the difference in braking capability. I don't know if you were at the runoffs in 2014 to witness Addison Lee diving deep on the start punting rigda into Kurt r totalling both cars.

https://youtu.be/2SN4kBJYi0w

T2 allows for ABS and aero on certain cars making their stopping pretty close. These are things we don't have in a sedan.

Maybe removing the ABS and wings is a good way to integrate them.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:21 AM
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Default The Future

Back in the day when I was watching from the CRB Secretary position, I watched a group of determined GTL drivers at the tent meeting at Road America declare to the CRB that they would get their numbers up because they wanted to continue their class. And, in one year's time, they did.

At this point, I'd like to encourage a few things.

One is, to come out and compete in the races. I know VIR very well and you will be going to one of the most beautiful venues on the planet for the Runoffs this year, with excellent facilities and friendly Southern Hospitality. So, come out and race in the Majors this year and attend VIR.

Another is, to stand up with letters when you disagree with what your AC and the CRB are doing. This is your right and you should let them know what you want for your class. In that light, when you feel strongly about BOP changes, ask and encourage the ASAC to take data at events this year to support your request. Tell them where you will be so they can capture data from your car. This is something that is very easy to do. Topeka has a good number of data boxes and Tech staff should be at all Super Tours for sure and possibly some Majors.

Next, both Danny and I remember days at MidO when 40+ AS cars went down the back straight to take the green. Danny remembers sitting in the stands and hearing the roar and the ground and stands shake (that's when he decided to race!!!!). My personal goal is to have 40 cars at VIR.

Finally, from experience, think about your programs (you, the car, the setup, etc.) and where you are. If you want to move forward, think about whether or not you need to make changes. Many of you have watched Danny grow through the program over the years since 2010. I am here to say that each year, as the crew chief/engineer, I think that my winter punchlist will be less. But, every year since he started running Nationals, the punchlist has grown. Be innovative, learn, grow and do great things.

I'll never forget what Andy told Danny after he coached him at Road America. "I want you up with me."

Pam
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Old 02-01-2019, 09:50 AM
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ASedan numbers have been fairly good, compared to a number of other classes. Reorganization of GT2 and some of the T classes have bumped their numbers, but AS is in no danger of dropping out of the Majors/Runoffs programs. That being said, participation is the key to the future success of the class. Since entry numbers on the west coast have been very low, even with the Runoffs being held at Laguna and Sonoma, the SMG cars should help bump the numbers out there. I doubt that anyone will be buying/building these cars at their price, and given how cheaply you could build a car like Kevin drives, (or a RP Ford) I do see the same issues that some of you have pointed out. ABS, bigger wheels and tires, aero, etc. Data now rules, and if data shows a problem, the ASAC and CRB will fix it.
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Old 02-02-2019, 08:54 AM
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ASedan numbers have been fairly good, compared to a number of other classes. Reorganization of GT2 and some of the T classes have bumped their numbers, but AS is in no danger of dropping out of the Majors/Runoffs programs. That being said, participation is the key to the future success of the class. Since entry numbers on the west coast have been very low, even with the Runoffs being held at Laguna and Sonoma, the SMG cars should help bump the numbers out there. I doubt that anyone will be buying/building these cars at their price, and given how cheaply you could build a car like Kevin drives, (or a RP Ford) I do see the same issues that some of you have pointed out. ABS, bigger wheels and tires, aero, etc. Data now rules, and if data shows a problem, the ASAC and CRB will fix it.
I guess I don't understand your point here regarding participation numbers. What you say above implies participation matters, in regards of the possibility of being dropped or reorganized, Although not a threat at this time. Yet, from a previous discussion.

" I can't make this any more simple. There is no rule and no threat of any class being dropped from the Runoffs. I agree that the guideline should never have been written, but it does not threaten removing any class from the Runoffs."

These appear to contradict each other and if no class has ever been dropped why discuss it? It's a moot point.
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