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wre46 11-08-2010 02:23 PM

GCR'$ and other musings
I just received an email stating if I want a hard copy of the GCR's I have to Pony up money. I wrote back and started that you can just deduct the $10 from my membership is you don't send me a hard copy. What do we get for our National License? Use to be a hard copy of the GCR and then our regional dues pay for the local region Publications, and of course Sportscar. What do we get now? Regional pubs are not sent out now, and the online versions I see are months, if not years old. Sportcar does not cover National events except of an occasional set of results. These 2 pubs were a good way of getting some sort of sponsorship or exposure and now they are gone.
I feel SCCA has totally sold out its membership and it’s time to take a stand. As a National driver, we pay a lot more for entry fees and get a lot less. SCCA sold us out to Safe Racer last year and I finished 2nd in my Division and 2nd at the Runoffs. Want to know what the payout was $0.00. Let talk tow money. They did it line of site and less than what the government pays per mile. The Runoffs contingency was a joke. On the podium I had to put on hats that I never used their products and some that conflicted with my sponsors. If I am lucky enough to ever get back to the podium, I am going to refuse to wear them for pictures as there are no rules stating in either the GCR or Sups requiring us to comply. My total payout from the supposing $1.5 Million dollar contingency....ZERO But we got little flags, a t-shirt and a set of glasses, a metal (if you where lucky enough to get a podium spot) and a trophy. SCCA does not give you ANY money to tear your motor down and forces you to use high price suppliers that are at the track (Racing fuel).
Am I pissed…Yes. Will SCCA respond, NOPE, they keep missing the point on why there membership is shrinking? So why do I do it? First I enjoy the folks I have met as fellow competitors. I thought I enjoyed GT-5 till I started racing AS. American Sedan folks are one of the few reasons I keep on coming back for at least a few more seasons.

I f you agree with any of the statements in these message, please spread the word and talk to your RE’s and Divisional folks about the sad state SCCA is heading too.

jimwheeler 11-08-2010 02:56 PM

I appreciate your opinions about this stuff.
Just a couple of comments. Our region still sends out a monthly newsletter, with coverage of Solo, Racing and Rally. (As does the Nebraska region, which sends me one, as well). Both are also available on line, in a very timely manner. Both are a product of great volunteers from the Kansas City and Nebraska regions, who do all of the work.

The paper GCR is a dinosaur, which is out of date before it leaves the printer. We now have an up to date GCR, on-line a few days after the various committees and boards have made their decisions.

I was disappointed in the amount of the tow money check this year.

On the podium, where you a Red Line user? They give $1,000 driver's suits for podium finishers. At least they did, when I got my 3rd at HPT.

I do think the SCCA could do more for the Division champions. I will pursue this within the CRB. There really is nothing from SCCA national office, except for a couple of "Division Champion" patches. Each division provides the trophies for champs within the division. They vary, from division to division.

Our racing costs keep going up, but so do the costs for running SCCA. We are all in it together.


wre46 11-08-2010 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by jimwheeler (Post 25362)
On the podium, where you a Red Line user? They give $1,000 driver's suits for podium finishers. At least they did, when I got my 3rd at HPT.

I used redline Water Wetter. They said it did not qualify. I already heard back from Terry Ozment (within 5 minutes of receiveing my GCR bill email) I get puzzled when I hear the GCR's are outdated as soon as they are printed. What happend to "no rule changes" Are there that many errors and omissions from that book that we need 12 versions of fastrack to correct them. I also commented to Terry that the GCR's should be in a full page format if they are on line so you can read the things.

My 2 cents werth:rant:

jkopp 11-08-2010 03:13 PM

Didn't the National race license fee go up a few years ago because it automatically included a copy of the GCR? Are the fees going back down? I found the email to be a bit confusing. :dunno:

I agree that the hard copy is a waste of time and money. Just bringing a $10 thumb drive to the track with ALL of them on it along with the Fastracks makes more sense to me. It's not like it would be hard to find a laptop at the track these days if you don't happen to bring your own. Heck, we could probably all just use our phones!

jimwheeler 11-08-2010 04:14 PM

In case you didn't notice, the individual class specifications are not listed on the web site, just the "Entire Book". This was because the individual class specifications were not updated like the complete GCR, after every fastrack. So, the monthly updated GCR now contains all the fastrack information to that date.
And, to Jeff's "rule year" issue. Unfortunately, there are always tons of clarifications and adjustments, even without any rule changes.


PamRichardson 11-08-2010 05:08 PM

Well... I'll add some more fuel to the fire from a steward's perspective. Last year, we were told that stewards could continue to get copies of the GCR for free, at least in 2010 and possibly longer. It appears that longer has gone away, because I haven't seen that a steward can have one either. And, I did put in my request that as a steward I was still interested. The reason being that it is a lot easier to carry around a GCR when you are stewarding than a computer. Can you see stewards walking through a paddock carrying their computer? Makes it tough to answer a quick question.

I do take my computer with me to every event and I do download the new version each month. I guess I'll be making that work, even in my stewarding efforts. But, I do agree with Jeff that either it was the license fees or the membership fees that went up a few years back so that they could cover the cost of sending every driver a GCR (back then I used to get TWO, BTW!). So do they plan to lower those prices by say, at least the $10? (BTW, it used to cost $25 to buy a GCR and that is how much our license fees went up a few years back...).

And yes, the tow fund was a bit of a surprise here as well. I found out after the fact that it was only "one way." I suppose it has always been that way, but I didn't have a clue that there was an entity out there that only paid mileage one way... I certainly will remember, however.

Pam Richardson

jimwheeler 11-08-2010 05:57 PM

This from SCCA. "all our stewards and a group of tech personnel (DAs and a few others who have traditionally gotten them-they know who they are) will be getting the copy they need free of charge."

PamRichardson 11-08-2010 06:24 PM

Well, that is pretty cool! I guess they'll send out a separate note to stewards and tech personnel, as I haven't seen it yet.

At any of the races I am attending, anyone is welcome to borrow mine or check my computer. FWIW.


Dawson Motorsports 11-08-2010 08:10 PM

Just put everything on a flash drive. Say here it is, you figure it out.

The GCR being hard copy optional, the GCR needs to be corrected. The letter from SCCA says they want to get away from the hard copy. Now I think this is a way to reduce costs and improve the way information is distributed.
Do we get lower rates on membership, I doubt it.
So contact your director and let them know how you feel.
E-mail all the directors, including the higher ups. That is what they look at.

jimwheeler 11-08-2010 08:39 PM

Although it does help reduce costs, that was not the primary reason for doing it this way. What is the point of printing up a ton of books that are no longer viable the month after they arrive at the user's door?
Hell, the only news magazine left is Time. Newsweek and U.S. News and World report are now only on-line.
I don't know if we will get lower rates, but at least they won't have to go up, to pay for the printed GCR, which everyone will throw in a drawer, since they are immediately obsolete.

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